In the very first episode of Holdin’ Space with Z and Lee, the two dive into the cultural grip Wicked has on them—yes, the film and the musical. From the emotional gut-punch of seeing it on screen to the deeper themes of corruption, identity, and power, they unpack how it reflects real life. Lee opens up about what it meant to see Elphaba played by a Black actress, and how that hit differently—leading into a wider convo about race, representation, and the power of performance, especially when the camera brings you in close.
They also get into how Defying Gravity is basically a queer anthem for self-acceptance—a big, dramatic “choose yourself” moment. And the Glinda vs. Elphaba debate? It’s more than just sparkle vs. sass—it’s about whether you’re actually doing the work or just posting about it.
From protest culture to personal dreams, they hold space for the mess, the meaning, and the magic of being seen—especially as queer folks of color navigating a world that wasn’t built for us.
