Matthew Burke speaks to Sally-Anne Huang, High Master of St Paul’s School in London and current Chair of the Headmasters' and Headmistresses' Conference (HMC). Matthew and Sally-Anne talk about their experience of working in leadership roles, making the leap from one headship to another, and why often a second Headship can be more difficult than the first. They also discuss the importance of creative subjects and the role they play in schools, along with the silver linings that have presented themselves during the pandemic.