In the final episode of this inaugural podcast, The Model’s artistic director, Emer McGarry and writer, Tara Bergin continue their conversation on the practice of ekphrasis – discussing the element of rivalry between different modes of representation. Tara interrogates this idea further, by reasoning that a sense of rivalry infuses power into the newly generated artwork - antagonising form into being. Tara also observes that different terminologies from other artforms assist the artist in inhabiting new modes of expression, facilitating the creation of autonomous new works of art. Finally Tara, reads her ekphrastic poem, This Rain - a pared back work inspired by the large austere canvases of the minimalist artist, Agnes Martin.