A fascinating chat with the great Iain Lovatt this week. Iain shares his journey. Starting with a redundancy and a need to pay bills and how that ultimately gave birth to the biggest chapter of his career and world-leading data business Blue Venn, where he was founder and chair until their recent acquisition. A passionate educator, he talks about his roles in academia as well as how he sees leadership - a refreshing view on empowering those from within and how to surround yourself with the right talent and people to succeed. Lots of great insight and wisdom shared, another excellent listen.