The legendary Kevin Carson joins us to discuss his newest work, "Exodus", and his current work-in-progress on the state. We then discuss a variety of topics including Kevin's thoughts on a two-pronged praxis, municipalism, distributed production, transition to post-capitalism, and a lot more. If you're at all familiar with Kevin's works or are a fan of this podcast, since we owe a lot of ideas to his work, you'll definitely have to check out this conversation.