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In this episode, Jonathan interviews former ASU Sun Devil Gary Chambers.  Gary played at ASU for 4 years and then went onto the NFL.  Jonathan and Gary discuss the new NIL (Name, Image and Likeness) laws that have recently gone into effect.  These new laws allow student-athletes profit off of their name, image and likeness.  On paper it sounds like a great thing for student-athletes, however, their are a lot of challenges ahead and the exploitation that has occurred in college sports may have just shifted to big business.  Listen to hear more.