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In this episode of the podcast, we welcome returning guest Adrienne Garofalo to talk about all things CW/Arrowverse. We get into why these shows work, what our favorite parts or characters are, and how what they are doing on these shows is not always perfect, but is true comic book storytelling.

Warning: We go into spoilers for many of the CW/Arrowverse shows. Additionally, this was recorded before the Time Warner/ Discovery merger was finalized and since this recording, a few of the shows we talk about have been cancelled.

00:00 James introduces the show's topic and guest: The CW/Arrowverse and returning guest Adrienne Garofalo. We kick off with Adrienne telling us why she likes the shows in this universe. We talk about the expectations surrounding any show produced on this network with a big shoutout for how inclusive their productions tend to be and how willing they are to take chances.

6:45 Joe shares his reasons for liking the CW/Arrowverse shows. We talk about Damien Darhk and how it's possible that shorter seasons would have benefited these shows.

12:30 Chris brings up how he questioned whether Arrow was the best place to start a universe but it ends up paying off. Keeping the stakes low in the beginning allowed them to build a bigger universe and raise the stakes over time.

17:30 We have a discussion about the Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover.

22:00 Chris weighs in with his thoughts on the CW/Arrowverse, leading us to the topic of outgrowing being a completionist.

29:30 Joe jumps in with which shows he is enjoying, but with the caveat that they should tighten their storytelling,

33:10 Chris asks Adrienne what she thinks about the style of the story telling. We get into a discussion about how some of the stuff in the show can hit too close to home and not be the escapist entertainment we are necessarily seeking; when things are hard in the real world, we want our heroes to win.

44:15 Joe brings up Stargirl as a light, fun and heartwarming show that can serve as a break from the more real-world aspects of the other shows.

49:00 Adrienne talks about her love of Legends of Tomorrow, which leads to a larger conversation about the best parts of the CW/Arrowverse, focusing on Superman and Lois.

1:05:00 We close with our recommendations.