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In this episode, we have the absolute privilege of hearing more from Ate Tina, a humble hero, who has walked alongside survivors of sex abuse for many decades. Ate Tina is one of the big inspirations behind the Surrender Leadership program, who knows how to empower others and "pass the microphone". We join her in conversation with Ben Chong, founder and facilitator of the program. For more information about Made in Hope and SHE works, please visit madeinhope.org.