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In this episode, Shomari and Paul engage in a wide-ranging discussion centering on "what now" one month after our latest election by focusing on the nuances and durability of the K-12 bureaucracy in times of change and turmoil. Shomari and Paul don't hold back and share deeply held views about how the K-12 system functions, why change is so hard, and where to look for hope. Props to Brad Conger for working the sound board and for offering his perspective in the conversation.