In what was one of our favorite episodes, Shomari and Paul talked with Anecia Grigsby and Harland Warrior, two Black school leaders, about their experiences leading public schools in the K-12 system. School leadership is crucial for the development of great schools and Anecia and Harland describe their complex, exhausting, and rewarding efforts leading schools as Black leaders. As always, Brad Conger worked the sound board and kept the recording rolling as the discussion went long.