Host Marvin Stockwell talks to educator Mischelle Brown in Oakland, California. Mischelle's use of risky play to provide better learning opportunities for her neurodivergent students was at first seen as unorthodox, and besides, there was no funding at her school for what she wanted to do. Undaunted, Mischelle crowdfunded the money she needed through ioby, and after after engaging in rock climbing, blowing glass and building forts, students' grades went up and disciplinary incidents went down. In fact, the benefits of risky play are well-documented in research dating back to the 1960s. Now armed with the data to show her program works, Mischelle is looking for new ways to use risky play to improve education.