Arie and Jason meander through a conversation, loosely inspired by recent podcast topics, exploring various ideas.
https://bothand.libsyn.com/20-whats-metamodern-with-linda-ceriello-greg-dember
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4iKUVpwwGA&t=11s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XBfoJx_8mg&t=1s
