What would happen if you put Abraham Kuyper in a microwave with Catholic social teaching? Just possibly, something like Jake Meador's most recent book, What Are Christians For? Life Together at the End of the World(IVP, 2022). In this episode, Sam is joined by Jake, editor in chief of Mere Orthodoxy,to discuss a number of issues, ranging from place, race, and the revolutionary spirit, to the beauties of hospitality, honey sticks, and expertly trimmed brisket.