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In today's episode, recorded 2/23/2024, I talk with Max S, a friend from divinity school who is a member of the third order of Franciscans as well as an Episcopal priest. It was great to learn more about Franciscan spirituality from Max, and I'm grateful that we had the chance to record this episode! I hope you enjoy it too! (This episode is unedited from our original conversation. I'm still figuring out the new software format on my podcast editing platform).