Dan goes one step further. I went into the interview thinking 'ill just ask him about permaculture', little did I know that Dan is already 100 miles deeper. I get the sense I only brushed the surface here with him, and I am thrilled to share this conversation with you. May it leave stretch marks on your mind, as it did for me.
On line Dan:
https://makingpermaculturestronger.net/author/dan/
https://holisticdecisionmaking.org/
https://open.spotify.com/show/5yu3IYHkNm4jzHsUHUDJPf?si=ad1bfeed0980437d