We are joined by our second not-goth guest, Joe Keeper of Bar Keeper Silverlake. Vesta was the first goth person he had ever gotten to know, and he had questions; instead of just having a normal conversation about it, we decided to record it. What is the relationship, if any, of Rocky Horror to goth? How does androgyny function in the goth community? Do we shave more than our heads? How might goth compare to keeping kosher? Are we all this literate or do we have idiot goths too? Are there old goths? Is everyone white? Can we date outside the “faith”? What about religion? We touch on all of these sincere questions while also discussing the importance of David Bowie, the inauthenticity of Madonna, the marketing of counterculture, the importance of compassionate outsiders, and how Vesta got her name.