Our conversation with Sarah Kerr explores the diversity of traditions (Druidry, Heathenry, Witchcraft, Shamanism, Animism) that come under a Pagan umbrella, including the traditions of paganism in Africa and South America. The Pagan Federation seeks to advocate for a more positive and informed understanding of the ancient beliefs and traditions that were systematically disrupted and discredited over the centuries. The suspicion and fear that was encouraged, meant that it was only 70 years ago that the Witchcraft Act was repealed. Numbers of Pagans are rising, especially amongst the young, with the latest census confirming over 100,000 in the UK, but actual numbers maybe two or three times this. We noted how important it is for patients and staff to feel safe and connected in conversations with a chaplain or pastoral carer, and the dangers of assuming that one belief tradition equips us to meet all needs - when you follow a spiritual pathway that has been so maligned, caution about others' judgement is understandable, and Pagans in healthcare would benefit form a like-minded connection. Sarah points out that fear of persecution or disrespect has made Pagans late to join interfaith dialogue and there is ground to be gained in opening up conversations and joining initiatives (including chaplaincy teams). Sarah points out the importance for Pagans of connection with nature and the cycle of the year. We recorded this episode on the Spring Equinox and noted the significance of the energy returning to the land. Living life connected with the seasons, brings Pagans stability and grounds them in nature - hospitals and confinement can conspire against this, and negatively impact spiritual wellbeing. Sarah is a witch and healer and explains how her practice easily sits alongside medical diagnosis and treatments, helping the individual walk their path / find their healing by recognising the delicate but inevitable interplay between the physical and the spiritual self. Pagan rituals are symbolic and meaningful and we note that for Pagans naming a new child is very important; how death for Pagans is a transition where energy changes into a different form; Stig shares experiences of Pagan weddings he has experienced that are resonating and profound. We end by asking about how to bring more Pagans into healthcare chaplaincy (to catch up with Prison chaplaincy) and Sarah mentions the NPSRCH course and the Pagan Seminary course.