In this episode Drs. Kutz and Konin talk about leadership development and whether leaders are born with the innate capacity to lead or are leaders made (forged) over time. Not as cut and dry and some might think. The conversation delves into the differences between leaders and managers and discusses crucial differences between the two. At the end of the episode we offer a self "test" and suppose that a managers typical default response to something new or unfamiliar is, "No!" whereas a leaders typical default response to the same is, "Yes" let try it." Enjoy! If you want to discuss this more we'd be happy to connect, reach out to us at mkutz@fiu.edu or jkonin@fiu.edu