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In this episode ...

After an amazing trip to Europe, we feel we are at a crossroads of sorts and that change is in the air pulling us to write a new chapter.

Should we stay in the states? Should we move overseas and take a stab at a new adventure? What do we do next?

All of this and more makes for a long, intense and emotionally connected podcast.

What's next for Jack and Cathy?

Recorded October 31, 2023