If you’ve ever overcomplicated a system or felt overwhelmed trying to “get organized,” this episode is for you.
I’m joined by Gillian Calley, someone I deeply admire for her ability to bring calm, clarity, and structure to even the most complex work. We talk about what people get wrong when trying to build effective operations, and why simple, human-centered systems are often the most powerful.
Gillian shares her journey from office admin to chief of staff, how being a non-traditional college student shaped her approach to problem-solving, and why communication (not more tools) is often the missing link in organizational flow.
This conversation is full of insights on how relationships, trust, and psychological safety are just as important as strategy when it comes to making meaningful work actually happen. If you’re building something and want it to work better for everyone involved, don’t miss this one.
Resources Mentioned:
Books
The Nightingale | by Kristin Hannah
The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo | by Taylor Jenkins Reid
Colleen Hoover and Elin Hilderbrand
Podcasts
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I'm your host, Tracy Clark, and this is where potential becomes reality through deliberate curiosity, reflection, practice, and play. The Building Thinkers podcast is based on the realization that there's exponential potential in the things we build.
And so, in my little corner of the internet and podcasting land, I want to take my 12 favorite problems, these are my constant curiosities, and I want to go deeper. I want to build thinkers. This is a community of multi-potentialites who may be disoriented by all the possibilities of success we envision but haven't yet achieved.
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