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This month, Behind the Scenery talks to two very special Cumbrians who have committed a lifetime to the British arts scene.

Sue Gill and John Fox founded Welfare State International in 1968. It was a loose association of freelance artists
bought together by shared values and philosophy. A way of life. A way to approach art differently.

John and Sue have just published a new book called "Eighty-Something – a lifetime of conversation". And they invited Tom Speight to their home on the coast near
Ulverston to listen in to that decades old conversation, as well as to reflect on the impact of Welfare State from their travels across the world.