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A build on our last episode with Paver Pete & Ryan Ravalli from Techo-Bloc, we dive deep into the world of outdoor living. In particular, both PAVERART & Techo Bloc have something in common: 100% of our manufactured products are installed by contractors. And what is the #2 most failed business segment in America? Contracting. So we talk about this, how contractors can improve, and how a growing outdoor living market is dependent on contractors and manufacturers investing in education, sound relationships and a focus on growth.

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