Clarence Carter is the Commissioner of Tennessee's Department of Human Services and he has a unique insight to social services and how to deliver them effectively and without tons of corruption and waste. Given what is happening in Minneosta right now, nothing could be more prescient. We talk about the nuts and both of our social services and what he has done to make Tennesee efficient in delivering services. He gives practical ideas on how to fix these systems and make them even more effective.
