Gibson Johns, host of the We Should Talk podcast joins the show to engage me in a good ole fashioned reality tv Kiki! We have a conversation about his experiences with reality tv from Competition to Ensemble and his feelings on both. We reminisce about the beginning of Bravo, the days before housewives. We discuss unpopular opinions, housewives of color, and how he worked his way to celebrity interviews. We discuss how he prepared for his platform and what he has learned from reality tv. We dive into different housewives franchises and discuss the nuances and intricacies that play into both. All of this and so much more!!