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"People overestimate their control over their thoughts, mind-wandering is a wild beast."

Today I am speaking with Moshe Bar, neuroscientist and author of Mindwandering, How Your Constant Mental Drift Can Improve Your Mood and Boost Your Creativity.

In this conversation, amidst a background of very opinionated birds, we cover topics including early starts and later pivots, silent retreats on birthdays, transforming seemingly 'dead time' into quality mind time, and a particularly memorable Harry Styles concert.

Without further ado, I bring you Moshe Bar.

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