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This is the second part of my conversation with Daniel Hill. We continue to discuss whiteness, the sickness of racism, and the complicity of the church, and he minces no words when it comes to his own experience of writing White Awake and continuing on this journey of reconciliation work.

“I think it’s really important that the attitude is marked with humility,” Hill says of white brothers and sisters on this journey. And as he adds, “When we talk about being allies, we’re not talking about being allies with a certain political group or even a certain group of people of Color; we’re talking about being allies with Jesus.”