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When invited on our show, Kai and Jackal, hosts of Stealth: a Transmasculine Podcast, both asked "Are you sure you have the right people?" We can assure you we do! Kai and Jackal discuss what they've learned from interviewing transgender men who transitioned more than twenty years ago and the implications of doing so in a time where trans people did not have the visibility they do in the 2020s. We also share the wisdom they've gleaned from their personal journeys, how non-binary thinking has evolved, and how leadership is about influence. By elevating the stories of others, and providing hope and inspiration to future leaders, Kai and Jackal have proven again and again that they're very much leaders themselves.