How is the UN going to protect the biodiversity of the oceans? What's the vision, how to get there, and is it feasible? What's the role of Indigenous Peoples going to be? Clement Yow Mulalap and I are involved in this process, Yow on behalf of the Federated States of Micronesia for the PSIDS, and myself from the indigenous side. We took our political hats off and went live to answer these questions in this short conversation on Clubhouse. Let me know what you think, please tweet any thoughts or takeaways to @gomaluku.