Apes vs Humans. Academia vs Athletics. Imposter Syndrome vs Confidence.
Atem and Kirron drop into one of their wildest convos yet — asking the ultimate question: who’s more civilized, apes or humans? From there, they dive into a deep and hilarious conversation with Padua College Assistant Coach and academic powerhouse Jarryd Pickering.
Jarryd opens up about his journey from Australia to playing college basketball in the U.S., getting dunked on his first day, and how being both an athlete and academic shaped his view on success. The boys touch on everything from imposter syndrome and self-worth to the Manti Te’o catfish saga and the beauty of being “the dumbest one in the room.”
It’s an episode that blends brains, banter, and basketball — where intelligence meets humility and humour.
⏱️ Timestamps
0:00 – Who’s more civilized: apes or humans?
2:33 – Intro music
3:35 – The real start of the pod
5:40 – Introducing Jarryd Pickering (Padua College Assistant Coach)
6:16 – Jarryd’s academic credentials: Chemistry, Mathematics & more
7:22 – How Jarryd got to college basketball in America
11:08 – Getting dunked on, Day 1
15:22 – Being the cool white guy with Jordans
17:04 – Book talk: Zero (biography of the number 0)
18:00 – Jarryd’s math degree
19:24 – Genius classmates & exam stress
22:30 – “Good school, but not Ivy League”
23:43 – Perks of being an Academic Superstar
26:46 – Manti Te’o catfish story
30:49 – Girlfriend in Week 1 of college
35:43 – Imposter syndrome & self-worth
37:24 – Trojan horse story (TikTok moment)
40:15 – Being elite but still having doubts
46:12 – Separating your worth from your work (TikTok moment)
49:00 – Jarryd’s superpower: connecting with everyone
55:00 – Jarryd’s question: “Do we like what we’re good at, or are we good at what we like?”
1:00:00 – Can Atem swim?
1:01:40 – Law talk: would Jarryd make a good barrister?
1:09:11 – Open source vs closed source software
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