As per usual Kathy Escobar and I cover a lot of territory discussing the things we are most passionate about in this present moment of trying to survive fully intact this holiday season. Kathy shares what the original inspiration was for a Blue Christmas at The Refuge the impetus being on creating a safe place to hold all the difficulties of this season trauma, grief, death, poverty, depression, etc. no feeling is off-limits and you are not alone there. Creating these spaces of safety and inclusivity is something, Kathy excels at and her new book walks the individual, friends, family, ministries, and clergy through loving ways to help and not hurt this season. We all are grieving in some way or another and creating ways to be in the world where this is the norm not the abnormal is creating a better world for EVERYONE! Find A Weary World Reflection for a Blue Christmas here and anywhere books are sold. Music by Todd Fadel You can find me on just about every social media platform or at Angie Fadel I am currently taking clients. Also, if you just want to reach out and ask a question go to angiefadel@gmail.com.