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Ok, I made that up. But a podcaster can dream right? But I did have a great conversation with Jr National Orienteering team members Ben Brady, Ben Conley, and Zariah Zosel. They tell some great orienteering stories, and discuss how they became better with a map and compass than nearly every adventure race navigator in the country - all before they could vote or drink. And yeah - I try to convince them to start mixing it up with some paddling, mountain biking, and bad maps. Will they be swayed to the dARk side? Listen now to find out. Huge thanks to these three youth for being so fun and articulate - even if they didn't share and of their perfect navigation secrets with me.