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“Sometimes you have to cross the line to find out where it is.” Cue the mind-blown emoji! This episode – featuring Pam Watts, Executive Director of NIRSA: Leaders in Collegiate Recreation – covers the whole gamut. We talk leading with influence, acknowledging career grief, and where we can find the difference between “I can” and “I can’t.” Plus, some solid last-minute road trip advice – buckle up, listeners.

Campus Confidential is presented by Compass Group and produced by Corey Inscoe and Jen Fisher – with your hosts Kelsey Harmon Finn and Loren Rullman.