This episode starts with some talk about Peter Kingsley and his thoughts on the Presocratics, Why the Catholic Church acts like it doesn't believe what it claims to, the gender of a statue, Tommie's thoughts on Richard Smoley's latest book "The Truth About Magic" which leads into a long conversation around "The World is Illusion" and all the implications coming from that - and why neither Spud nor Tommie think it's correct. We end with a chat around the documentary Kumaré about a man who decides to become a fake guru: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1865425/
