After the video of George Floyd came out, social media was a wild place. I got into a classic debate in the comments section with a lady on Facebook and before it got heated, I had a moment of clarity. What if we talked this out? What if I had a conversation with her like a person? So I proposed that and this is the result. As you will discover, we did not meet eye to eye, but we showed that two people can disagree and have a civil discussion about it. That conversation led to others which led to this podcast. As we recently heard the Derek Chauvin verdict, I thought it was appropriate to throw it back to this convo.