This week Lori and Haleh talk to Kira Sirote, a mother of seven in Ra'anana, Israel, about attitudes toward kids in the Soviet Union, where she was born, US, where she moved as a young child and attended Harvard, and Israel, where she raised her family and resides today. We also discuss kid-made legal systems, how seven kids is basically the same as three, sword play, waist deep mess, and the importance of giving kids their own toys and space. Kira reflects on the thrills of software development, the difference between classical & Biblical attitudes towards women and children, and why raising human beings is the ultimate creative act.