John Mark Hicks is professor of Theology at Lipscomb University in Nashville, TN and has taught full time in higher education among Church of Christ institutions since 1982. He is the author of many books including two discussed in this conversation: "Searching for the Pattern," and "Embracing Creation." John's expertise and experience within Churches of Christ was enlightening when discussing how what he calls the "blueprint hermeneutic" led to the opposition of located and salaried pastors within the denomination and possibly helped contribute to the retirement realities of its pastors today. We also discuss what Hicks has written on the Nazareth Manifesto of Jesus from Luke 4, and how the Jubilee might be a good framework to start talking about a theology of retirement and saving for it.