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Shawn Dennis joins us for a fast-moving conversation that jumps from Janet-Jackson “boob-bowl,” to Trolls in space, the meaning of Shrek, and even the NFL and Tiananmen Square!

Across her career—from Kenner Toys to Universal Studios Orlando, from the NFL to American Girl, and DreamWorks—Shawn has helped shape some of the most influential brands in modern entertainment. 

What happens when a theme park opens and nothing works? Why do certain characters refuse to fade away? Why did the Trolls franchise had to be rebuilt from the ground up? and what DreamWorks learned about the emotional blueprint behind hits like Shrek and How to Train Your Dragon.

It’s a wide-ranging conversation about storytelling, spectacle, cultural moments, and the strange ways pop culture travels through the world.