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This is "The Second Half" of our episode with our special guests: Kiernan Hughes-Mason and Craig Heskey from Newham Dragons - Coach Kiers and Coach Craig. 

Here in this section, we discuss Coach Kiers' experiences coaching and playing in New Zealand, and both men provide their insight on the systemic obstacles aspiring coaches face when trying to get their qualifications and advance in the game, particularly coaches from an ethnic minority background.

Finally, both Coach Kiers and Coach Craig reflect upon the impact their time at Dragons had on them and how it has influenced what they've gone on to do in their current respective roles. 

We hope that you enjoy this episode and we look forward to having both Coach Kiers and Coach Craig on the show again!

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