Listen to the full podcast interview with Urs Koenig:
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/6ROlz2uVPunmzB2qJMC5hk?si=1tqVWo4vRlm2AZNgtcl8KA
Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/coachful-coaching-leadership-podcast/id1682682151?i=1000696903187
