2:30 – Mike opens up about his struggle with patriotism and the impact of 9/11. He reflects on his rollercoaster Navy career and his feelings about the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan in 2021.
13:00 – In the second half, Mike discusses race. On the anniversary of Tupac Shakur's death—the West Coast rapper shot in a drive-by—he references Tupac’s song "Changes," which is quoted in his book, Building Bridges: Can We Love & Relate in a Polarized World?. Mike delves into his relationships with people in the Black community in the U.S. and the broader African diaspora, offering perspective on the challenges faced by Black individuals worldwide.
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