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SummaryIn this conversation, Jim Tracy and Ryan Ruffaner delve into the complexities of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) in the workplace. Ryan, an industrial-organizational psychology practitioner, shares his insights on the ineffectiveness of DEI initiatives, the political and legal challenges they face, and the evolving perceptions across generations. The discussion also touches on the importance of focusing on productivity, the role of media in shaping the DEI narrative, and the need for genuine inclusion, particularly for individuals with disabilities. Ultimately, the conversation emphasizes the necessity for a more merit-based approach in organizational practices.