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Step into the world of my friendship with my best friend, Nate, and my amazing wife, Dorris, in this raw and unfiltered conversation where we explore the freedom surrender offers and our observable resistance to
it. This episode goes beyond the normal format of this podcast, and presents an intimate and candid discussion among friends.

Together, we delve into the depths of what surrender truly means and how it feels in the midst of life's challenges. We share our personal journeys, discussing the contrasting emotions of loss and liberation that surrender can invoke, and contemplate the intriguing question of whether surrendering is a powerful form of being present.

Get ready for a rollercoaster of topics as we touch on a pirate parlay, stern nuns, and even dive into the intriguing idea of the possibility of there being no free will. This episode is a true adventure as we share our perspectives on surrender, the mysteries of life, and what it means to embrace the power of letting go. Get ready to be inspired as we put our heads together and try to put words to an often elusive spiritual concept.