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Clarence rejoins Rick and Ron on the podcast.

Clarence is one of the busiest jazz drummers in the world, a leader of multiple bands, a composer, a prolific producer, and a music educator.

He's an accomplished jazz drummer, highly regarded for his impressive skills in music composition, production, and education.

Since his arrival in New York City in 1991, Penn has worked with an extensive list of renowned musicians, including Ellis and Wynton Marsalis, Betty Carter, and Michael Brecker, among others.

He has also toured extensively and recorded a myriad of studio albums, covering a wide range of jazz expressions.