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⏭️ Chapters:
00:00 - Intro - Opening Statement
07:21 - mConversation with Katherine Makinney about her organization09:43 - Was the 2020 election stolen?
13:07 - What happened January 6th?
30:13 - 3 specific Jan 6th cases
1:00:09 - Trump's inaction on Jan 6th
1:50:45 - Wrap Up
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Are the people prosecuted for the riot at the Capitol on January 6th hostages, as Trump calls them, or are they criminals? Are they patriots, or just people who were lied to about an election being stolen who got caught up in a mob and behaved badly?
I speak with Katherine Makinney who runs americanpows.com, a site dedicated to the stories of the people prosecuted for their actions on January 6th. We completely disagree about the 2020 election results and the causes and repercussions of January 6th. Which makes for an interesting discussion, I suppose.
There is still no evidence the 2020 election was stolen via voting fraud of any kind.
In the end, I'm not sure the conversation is very useful. Neither of us walked away convinced of the others argument and so far she's provided no credible evidence (blogs theorizing how the deep state works without any sited evidence AT ALL don't count) that the election in 2020 was stolen. As mentioned in our conversation, the two most cited sources from MAGA supporters are True The Vote and 2000 Mules. The former admitted in court that it has ZERO evidence of fraud in Georgia, and the latter has been removed from distribution due to getting sued for defamation by a citizen featured in the "documentary".
Who's to blame, ultimately, for these filter bubbles so many Americans find themselves in - on one hand, they're being lied to by their leaders and the media they consume (I'm not just talking about MAGA folks here, by the way - this happens plenty on the left). But on the other, don't they have the same agency to check into a story or opinion they read/watch being valid? Katherine has access to the same internet I do, where I can quickly check if a fact or quote is authentic. So am I sympathetic to her because she's been lied to, or is it a choice she's made because we've made politics a religion where its heretical to ever admit your beliefs might be wrong? I don't know, honestly. I hope you get something out of the conversation. We talked for 4 hours, and I've trimmed the conversation down for length (sorry, it's still long).
I've included some of the links she sent me in advance and after our conversation, but to be transparent, haven't included the ones I could easily disprove or didn't include any sourcing.
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