In this conversation, artist Perry DeVick discusses his art career beginnings, his college experience, and the financial realities of art education. He shares his insights on the value of college degrees in the arts and the changing landscape of illustration careers. Perry also discusses the benefits of smaller art schools and the luxury of traditional art in a digital age. He explores different approaches to expanding income as an artist and the differences between adjunct and tenure positions in art education. Perry also reflects on the concept of learning in art and the motivation to teach. In this conversation, Perry DeVick discusses various aspects of art, including motivation, emotional reactions to incomplete art, the value and perception of art, course design and assignments, qualities of a good teacher, pursuing a master's degree in arts or arts education, finding a market for art, and increasing the price of art. Perry also mentions an upcoming faculty exhibition at the State College of Florida.