Great conversation that gets random... like almost every episode
https://open.spotify.com/track/1rFNDIT7WmsVGzO0sHJpwM?si=6bw6Vg10S4SyKeKbN26bng
https://open.spotify.com/track/0esrXPJGeeXryeRbwbRb6Y?si=IL-HJ019TkOy6tJqvR_u6g
