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Note to listeners, I remixed this episode to include our new theme music by Wes Swing. Dr. Rachel Harris, author of 'Swimming in the Sacred,' discusses her research on underground guides and the importance of their wisdom in the field of psychedelics. She distinguishes between ceremonial work and research, highlighting the transformative focus of the former. Dr. Harris emphasizes the need for researchers to consult experts and learn from the experiences of underground guides. She explores the historical context of the psychedelic underground and the challenge of holding these medicines in the modern world. The conversation also delves into the role of gender, the importance of personal work, and the future of psychedelics and integration.

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