In this episode of Altar of the Demo Gods, the John and Keith are joined by guest Erich Mueller, a former cybersecurity practitioner and social engineering champion. They reminisce about their experiences at DEF CON and dive into the topic of imposter syndrome. Tune in for an engaging conversation filled with personal anecdotes and insights from experienced sales engineers. The group discusses the power of storytelling as a tool for capturing attention and engaging listeners. They emphasize that storytelling is ingrained in human nature and that people are naturally drawn to stories because they find them interesting. Incorporating storytelling into pitches or presentations can help to hook someone's attention and make the information more memorable.