Lisa and Eric talk about their experiences in their effort to define or understand what it means to be human, given that the healing of the human person is finally expressed in the wholeness of one's humanity. In the course of their conversation, Eric and Lisa talk about a funeral and a person's range of influence; the dark night of the soul and St. Silouan of Athos's advice to "keep thy mind in hell, and despair not"; the importance of being with others in their grief; the metaphor of the acorn and the tree for being oneself; James Hollis and individuation; and more.