During this conversation, I couldn't quite link the aim of the podcast to her story.
In actual fact at one point during the conversation, I was a little confused.
I was wondering how permission formed any part of what Tracey decided to do with her husband and children.
Then in an instant, I saw how Tracey gave herself permission to begin a new adventure.
Even though the decision she took was painful for her, she took the bold step.
Many or perhaps most people associate birth with the coming of a new child.
Birth comes in different shapes and forms, some of these shapes are not always comfortable, easy or simple.
I was silent for a good few seconds in this episode because I had to allow her story and the sacrifice she made to sink in.
I invite you to listen to this poignant story, one which clearly depicts what we do for the love of others.
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